Jan14
Who knew Saddam would die?
Who knew Saddam would die? Well, of course he would die eventually. But, there are those who believe that Saddam’s rise and fall were predicted over 500 years ago by Nostradamus. In a 1995 press release titled ‘Mabus must die‘ Neal Chase explains how Nostradamus’ vision of the third anti-christ, who he called “Mabus”, could in fact be none other than the then Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.
The deduction that Saddam was this “Mabus” from the prophecy was deduced from a simple, albeit brilliant, observation from Neal Chase. He explains that if you look at the word Mabus in the mirror, it spells Sudam; pronounced obviously ~ Saddam.
Take a look for yourself at the press release, and you’ll see that events happening right now were all foretold over 500 years ago.
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11:47 pm on January 14, 2007
Interesting also is that Nostradamus, when prophecying about the 3rd anti-christ, named the first as Napleon (Napolean), the second as Hister (Hitler) and the third anti-christ, he wrote, would be Mabus-Alus. Mabus in the mirror is “Sudam” (Saddam) and ALUS is an anagram for “allied U.S. forces.” Thus Nostradamus predicts that the third anti-christ would be the combination of Saddam and the US and her supporters in the genocidal war against Iraq!
The BUPC (Baha’is Under the Provisions of the Covenant) have been teaching this warning publically on tv, radio and the Internet for over 10 years now! What does it mean? It means that we were right! What else might we be right about? Armageddon, Kingdom of God on Earth, etc.
Hmmm…
8:46 am on January 15, 2007
Several Nostradamus watchers had made the Saddam = Mabus connection in the years after the 1991 Iraq invasion of Kuwait.
Google it. This concept did not originate with Neal Chase.
Tell the truth.
10:47 pm on January 15, 2007
The Truth is Neal Chase uncovered that connection in 1989-1990. He announced it in on live television and it was later picked up by others like John Hogue after the 1991 Gulf War. For a video where Mr. Chase shows the date of Saddam’s execution is prophesied of refer to YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un1q-03RrPU
10:59 pm on January 15, 2007
Howdy. Could you possibly be more specific? Tell which truth? Who do you think it originated with? A Google search on this only shows the various sites that make a connection. Oddly enough, one of our sites comes up second. So, what truth are you searching for? Is it in earnest I wonder?
I invite you to please elaborate on your point. Mine remains unchanged. Neal’s first documented statement on this dates back to 1991 on his talk show. From the moment we started sending troops to Operation Desert Sheild Neal began warning that we were self-fullfilling prophecy. Who can testify that they have made concerted efforts like Neal has for the last 16 years to continually drive this message home? I don’t intend on taking away from the efforts others have made in this area. But the facts remain that Neal was first on the scene with this, and hasn’t let up since. Whatever anyone else has done in the meantime does not take away from that.
11:51 pm on January 16, 2007
I’d just like to point out that it would be a shame to talk in circles over who made the connection first, and miss the real issue with the Saddam = Mabus thing. The real issue is that Saddam is Nostradamus’ Mabus. The implecations are enormous; it’s the story of the century IMHO.
7:43 am on February 21, 2007
I would like to point that it was one of Saddam’s doubles hanged. So Mabus isn’t totally Saddam. Allthough Hitler and Napleon had a great power, so Nostardamus could probably predict an enormous accidents. So we think that was Saddam captured and we CALL him “Saddam”, so Nostardamus had pointed out that “Saddam” would die! Who knows maybe a real Saddam after all that will become a president again. And I think that’s why Nostardamus knows his name (not even Bush and Putin(even if they are making great debates now)). And I hawe a dreams about Saddam…
2:14 pm on March 01, 2007
When saddam was killed, why didn’t any catastrophes happen?
10:33 pm on March 08, 2007
Well Melissa, it would appear that Ollie’s answer as to why no catastrophe’s happened when Saddam died was because it was one of his doubles.
I’m not sure what to make of Ollie’s comments, as the grammar used makes it challenging to know exactly what was meant. Interesting ideas, I suppose. Unfortunately I feel left in the dark on the conculsions being drawn by Ollie. Maybe you’d be willing to elaborate?
Melissa, Nostradamus wrote that Mabus will come, and Mabus will die. Then the great tulmut would ensue. I believe it’s too soon to discard the prophecy as false since he didn’t set a time following Mabus’ death and the catastrophes. It’s been about 90 days, right? He didn’t specify how much time between Mabus’ death we should expect to see these events, see?
8:24 pm on March 20, 2007
The idea put forth by Neal Chase in 1995 that Saddam was the Mabus of the Nostradamus prophecy was and still is a good and educated guess as to name mentioned in the quatrain. But as we all know no prochecy is worth anything till it comes true. Till then it’s just another theory along with many others concerning that quatrain all of Nostradamus’s writings. This was the whole point of the post I wrote here on January 15th.
Even if any castrophies occur within 6 months to a year after Saddam’s passing Neal Chase’s comments are based on his 1995 press release that had a few problems when it was first written and even more 12 years later in 2007. No one will site Neal Chase has having cracked the Mabus code.
- He fails to quote the full quatrain leaving out the last line “Hundred, hand, thirst, hunger when the comet will run.” Because of that omission he offers no explanation for the meaning of that line.
- He abandons explaining the quatrain after the first paragraph and goes off on an unrelated tangent has Saddam assasinated in New York City at the United Nations. An event that never happened.
- Saddam was not assasinated. He was executed for his crimes in Iraq by an Iraqi court. His capture, trial and execution had nothing to do with the United Nations. There is no motivation for his supporters after his death to retaliate to the United Nations or for that matter to the United States. They have chosen to retaliate against the Shi’te majority in Iraq. A civil war.
To be credible Mr. Chase needs to do some updating to his now outdated press release and theories. He needs to explain to us how Saddam’s death relates to events in 2007.
Saddam is now dead and the events mentioned in his 1995 press release never occurred. If any catastrophies do occur now it’s doubtful that anyone will site Mr. Chase’s press release as a source of prophecy for them. He has been eclipsed by those that have also made the Madus = Saddam link but offer more probable scenarios.
Mr. Chase, tell us the truth if you know it.
Baha’i Truth
12:59 pm on March 22, 2007
Well BT, you’ll be happy to know that Neal has since co-authored a book which deals not only with explaining that one quatrain about Mabus / Saddam in it’s entirety, but it tackles a bulk of Nostradamus’ writings. I will post a link to the e-book once it’s available online for those who are interested.
Unfortunately you’ve missed a lot in that 1995 press release by speed reading it. Neal never wrote Saddam would be “assasinated in New York City at the United Nations”. He did write that Saddam would be assassanated, AND THEN NY would get nuked with the U.N. as the target. This is not a prophecy from Neal, as you have stated, for Neal has NEVER claimed to be a prophet or to have prophecised anything. Rather this is his interpretation of a prophecy from Nostradamus. This interpretation you’re referring to stems from the famous quatrain (I don’t know the number off hand) where “the great new city with it’s manmade mountains will burn at 45 degrees”. Most Notradamus scholars agree this can only be New York city. There is much more than can be explained in this comment area, but if you are indeed sincere in your interest I’ll be happy to surmise what I can. If your intention is to merely scrutinize with little more than 1/4 the information at your disposal, then I will leave you in peace on this one.
9:19 pm on March 22, 2007
These small online forums are not a very efficient way to communicate. I feel as though your responses are being written more for the public eye than my own education which I feel is unfair. If I make an error please don’t ridicule me. I was raised a Christian and taught not to ask questions. Now I’m asking questions and I’d expect them to be taken seriously. Whether you like it or not your claims do require some challenging scrutiny to be accepted. I’m surprised you don’t realize that.
Please email me the ebook — or a least an idea when it will be available — and anything thing you have right now that would educate me on the “much more to this all” aspect of this prophecy and the Baha’i faith as you see it. There must be other documents or draft copies of what has been written that you can send me.
We are in the time after Saddam’s death — the fulfillment of the Nostradamus quatrain, on the verge of global war and possibly the destruction of New York City — and yet you seen to not be able to fill me in the “much more to this” details.
I don’t think this forum is a good way to learn. At times your attitude a bit lacking in loving consultation to be blunt. If the truth is to be known through the clash of differing opinions don’t be so quick to check out of the discussion with your “… then i will leave you in peace on this one.” If you can’t handle the heat of the discussion get another teacher in here who can. Consider the claims that have been made. You act like I’m supposed to just swallow it on faith alone. Prove it to me.
I feel that you, and other’s who respond on this forum, have much more to say but are holding back for some reason. Tell me the Baha’i truth, please. If you are a Baha’i teacher, teach me. If you are not a teacher refer me to someone who is.
I don’t have the time or the patience for a public tit-for-tat. There is too much at stake here and I don’t see the point to it.
I wouldn’t be here posting comments if I wasn’t interested.
BT
10:26 pm on March 26, 2007
BT. Where do you live? Geographically? Regionally? The best way to hook up, full attention, one to one, with a True Baha’i educator is if you are able to travel to where one of us lives and works and enroll yourself in the 1-2 week Fireside classes. This is the primary and traditional method and way of transference of the message.
There are other ways, if you really like to read, but it isn’t quite the same as learning it, interactively from one who knows it and understands it and lives it.
Are you looking for the message BT? Can you travel in North America?
Peace
11:44 pm on April 15, 2007
Here’s a youtube video explaining Mr. Chases predictions based on Nostradamus’ prophecies. It’s a perfect medium where he gets to express these thoughts and opinions in his own words, and can not be misrepresented. See for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un1q-03RrPU
9:20 am on April 23, 2007
:evil:you are covenant breakers, plain and simple.:twisted: have a nice life in the next life.
12:17 pm on April 23, 2007
Mr. Kambel, what do you base your claim upon?
12:25 pm on April 23, 2007
Welcome Michael Kambel. I myself have never been declared a Covenant Breaker by the Guardian, who, as I’m sure you know, is the only one in the Writings given authority to declare believers such. So I know I’m not a C.B. What would make you say such a mean thing?