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Christs relationship with God

Hello! My name is Collin, and I live in Wisconsin.

For 18 years, I have been a public high school chemistry teacher. For over 20 years, I have made attempts at teaching people about the antichrist. Perhaps readers of this short blog will read through and understand this important message.

First of all, do we start from common ground: Do you believe, as I do, that Jesus is the Messiah? I have seen the proofs that Jesus fulfills prophecy to be born of a virgin in the city of David at the year foretold in scripture and marked off in the great pyramid.

My hope is that the reader also respects Jesus enough to pray as he taught us to pray: “Our Father, which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven.” (Matthew 6:9-10 KJV)

Let me ask you, did Jesus say, “Pray to me?” If the reader has been taught by men to pray to Jesus, then the reader must make a decision about where his or her loyalties lie. Furthermore, check out what Jesus said as recorded by Luke: “And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? None is good, save one, that is, God.” (Luke 18:18-19 KJV)

When Jesus says that he is not God, then why do people invent a trinity and argue that he is God? Why believe the pope if he speaks pagan lies? The pope is antichrist. The pope will not teach you, as this site will, that “Christ” is Roman for the Hebrew “Messiah ben David” which means “anointed male descendent of King David” a role which Jesus fulfills. So when I tell you that I believe in the virgin birth, I believe that Mary gave birth to a son who was human. In science class, we are taught that sperm and egg must meet, and the DNA of both the father and mother unite to give the characteristics of the child.

Jesus was a human child born as a human descendent of King David, and since Joseph is a descendent of King David, we can figure out that the sperm came from him. For details on how sperm can swim and get a virgin girl pregnant, see the Dear Abby newspaper column. (Missoulian, Friday, May 9 1986)

For details on the genealogy of Jesus back to David see the first chapter of Matthew. In fact, read the first sentence in the first book of the New Testament: “The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.” (Matthew 1:1) My point is this: If a person still believes that the father of Jesus is not Joseph, but God, then such a person is against Christ, or antichrist. God did not descend from King David. Jesus did decend from King David.  Jesus is not God.

Jesus spoke the word of God. There is a difference. Every word that Jesus spoke is holy and comes from the mind of God, but Jesus was a man with a gift, not a God to worship with idols like Mary and the Saints. Idol worship is bad.

“Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God.” (Exodus 20: 5 KJV) In fact, just to let you know how irritated God may be with those who believe such things, let me quote some logic from another descendent of David, ‘Abdu’l-Baha who said, “Observe that the reality of man, who is the most noble of creatures, does not descend to the reality of the animal, that the essence of the animal, which is endowed with the powers of sensation, does not abase itself to the degree of the vegetable, and that the reality of the vegetable, which is the power of growth, does not descend to the reality of the mineral. Briefly, the superior reality does not descend nor abase itself to inferior states; then how could it be that the Universal Reality of God, which is freed from all descriptions and qualifications, notwithstanding Its absolute sanctity and purity, should resolve Itself into the forms of the realities of the creatures, which are the source of imperfections? This is a pure imagination which one cannot conceive.” (‘Abdu’l-Baha: Some Answered Questions p. 295-296 paperback edition)

The authors at this site can also teach you that ‘Abdu’l-Baha is the son of the Reigning Messiah, the “Christ” that Jesus said would come. Stay tuned. Open your mind to the intelligent design that God has brought forth on this planet. God is infinitely intelligent, and I have faith that God wants us to use our brains and our free will to choose correctly.

If the reader disagrees, by what basis do you say that I am wrong? Do your loyalties lie with what you were once taught, or are you loyal to God? Be pure of heart and seek the truth.

Collin

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20 Responses to “Christs relationship with God”

  1. 1 Jeff
    10:47 pm on January 26, 2007

    Having been raised a Catholic, I parted ways with the church in my teenage years due specifically to it’s “Jesus is God and the only way” doctrine. It was only many years later that I came to believe in Jesus through these Baha’i teachings that Collin has put forth here. It was a Baha’i who helped me see why I should believe in Jesus. Not the mythical Jesus that the Church teaches about. NO, the Jesus of the New Testament that taught us to pray to the One True God. The more I’ve studied the Bible itself the firmer my belief in Jesus has become. The Jesus of the Bible and the Jesus of the Church are not the same.

  2. 2 Collin
    9:05 pm on January 27, 2007

    Jeff’s comment reminds me of a story I like to tell about my Catholic upbringing. In confirmation class, I was given a sheet of questions to answer. One question was, “Will you defend the Catholic faith?” To that question I wrote, “What? Like in the crusades? Sorry, but I am not going to kill any Muslims for you.” I don’t consider myself particularly bold, but I wasn’t convinced that Muslims were evil. My suspicion was confirmed in college when a Baha’i taught me that Jesus told his disciples that Muhammad would come. The Catholics used the word Paraclete for Comforter, but Charlie Gaines, who knew the Greek language, looked at an old bible and learned the capitalized word was a proper name. The correct interpretation in the language Jesus spoke was Muhammad. That blew my mind.

  3. 3 john
    2:19 pm on March 01, 2007

    Christ is God in the Flesh,
    The physical image of the invisible God.

    The purpose of Christ was to redeem us from our sin and reconcile us to the Father.

    The only one who could do this was God himself.
    Faith is believing what is not seen.

    1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one

  4. 4 Jeff
    8:02 pm on March 08, 2007

    Thank you John. What you’ve provided is a great example of why we need to go by what the Bible actually says, and not just regurgitate what the clergy teaches.

    One must take generous assumptions to conclude that Jesus taught he was “God in the Flesh”. That’s not something he actually said, is it? In fact, if we read the Gospels ourself we can find it say just the opposite. Paul tells us in Romans 1: 3 that he was “descended from David according to the flesh, and declared Son of God according to the Spirit…”. So according to Paul, physically he’s a descendant of David, making him Christ (for that is what the word literally means: annointed son of David), and spiritually he’s the Son of God. That’s what Paul declared anyways. Who told you he was “God in the Flesh”? Where does it ever say such things in the Gospel?

    Baha’is have the deepest love and respect for the mission and station of Jesus Christ. It causes us great concern to see how the Gospel has been contorted and misinterpolated to fit in with manmade doctrines. Indeed John says those three are One. But Jesus isn’t part of those three, is He. You’re assuming that the Word is Jesus, and therefore the Trinity is supported in the Bible. It most certainly is not! It’s a manmade concept. John said in the begining was the Word, that the Word was with God, and that the Word was God. The “Word” translated back to its original Greek is “Logos”, which means literally “a thought expressed in a Word”. So Jesus carried the “Logos”, but he wasn’t the Logos itself. Jesus wasn’t a thought, he was a man expressing the thoughts of God for us to understand. See?

    The Trinity is a manmade lie that is not supported by the Bible.

  5. 5 Peace
    11:27 pm on March 08, 2007

    Hi John. I assume by your comment that you are a Christian.

    I just want to point out how the sacred Bible itself dispels any myth that Jesus is “God in the flesh” as so many have been misled to believe.

    I’ll simply use the scriptures to absolutely disprove this misconception.

    John 1:18 reads “No man hath seen God at any time”
    There is no mention excepting Jesus. It goes on to say that Jesus “declared God” but not that he saw Him, thus, even Jesus was a man

    1Col 1:15 states that God is “invisible”
    For you to add the word “physical” to this verse is simply the same old thing the clergy and the pope have done for ages. It is called interpolation. In the last verses of the entire Bible, Jesus clearly states “If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.” Why risk it my friend? what can you gain by interpolating the writ?

    In John 4:24 Jesus states quite clearly, “God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit”
    The truth is that God is infinitely greater than His creation, including the prophets he sent like Jesus and Baha’u’llah, the two Christs, to teach us about Himself.

    And finally, to drive the point home, in Matt 14:17-21 it is clear that multitudes SAW Jesus as he broke bread with the disciples and fed 5000 people! Therefore, in no way is it possible that Jesus is God, as God is an invisible spirit, according to the Bible itself. The clergy who teaches otherwise simply want to make money on Christianity and willingly lead the mass of seekers astray.

    Be Safe, go by the Bible John.

    Peace

  6. 6 Collin
    6:42 am on March 11, 2007

    Dear John (I see significance in the name John.
    A “Dear John” letter is a letter to a generic person, and what follows is the third comment to the wayward John who’s comment is based on generic manmade theology–the incorrect manmade lies that those who are not self-educated in the truth still believe.)

    You wrote, “Christ is God in the Flesh” but this is not what Jesus taught. Jesus said, “For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.” (John 6:38 KJV)
    This and other verses show that Jesus and God are two different beings.
    In fact Jesus himself tells us there is but one true God.
    “And the scribe said unto him [Jesus], Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:”
    (Mark 12:32 KJV)

    You wrote that Christ is, “The physical image of the invisible God.”
    We that believe in both the old and the new testament know that the God of Moses is the God that Jesus calls Father. Recall that through Moses, God commanded us never to worship anything physical. “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath,” (Exodus 20:4)

    [And Peace shows you in his post how you inserted the words “physical” in front of “invisible” to make up a theology different from what is written in the bible. “He is the image of the invisible God,” (1 Col 1:15)]

    Know also that God does not change His mind or break His promises. “My covenant I will not break, nor alter the thing that has gone out of my lips.” (Psalm 89:34 KJV)

    I grew up Catholic, and your next sentences sounds like familiar feel good dogma that is never explained. You wrote, “The purpose of Christ was to redeem us from our sin and reconcile us to the Father.” True, Christ, as you call him, shed his human blood for us. But not to appease a vindictive God that requires a blood sacrifice.

    Jesus saves us from our sins by ratifying the Covenant given of old, that through the blood line of David, we can all be saved. (Saved from corrupt and invented manmade religion)
    From Matthew and Luke, we trace the blood line of Jesus back to King David, so the blood of Jesus is the blood of the Covenant. (Matthew 1:1 and Luke 3: 23-31.) God promised, made a Covenant with David in Psalm 89: “I have made a Covenant with my chosen one, I have sworn to David my servant: I will establish your descendants forever and build your throne for all generations.” (Psalm 89: 3-4 Revised Standard)

    Jesus would not be the Christ were he not a descendent of King David. Christ means “Messiah ben David” or anointed of the house of David. If the father of Jesus were God, then Jesus could not be the Christ. If you claim God is the Father of Jesus, then you are antichrist. And if you don’t believe Matthew and Luke, take it from Jesus himself in the book of Revelation: “I Jesus have sent my angel to you with this testimony for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David,”(Rev 22:16)

    Paul, who did a lot of research in the archives, wrote in Romans: “Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed [translated from the Greek word Sperma] of David according to the flesh; And [only] declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the Spirit of holiness [the Holy Spirit]” which made him a Manifestation of God, not God. (Romans 1:3, 4 KJV)
    [This last paragraph was taken from “Entry by Troops” by J.T. Lamb]

    “Reconcile us to the Father” means reconcile us to Baha’u’llah – the Everlasting Father seated upon David’s throne (see Isaiah. 9:6-7). Now that we know that Christ is a blood descendent of King David, we should pay heed to the Prophecy that Jesus gave for the return of Christ, the “Glory of the Father,” Baha’u’llah, who sits on the throne of David.

    You write, “Faith is believing in what is not seen”, but what you have faith in is a man-made myth, a strong delusion. (see 2 Thessalonians 2:11)
    Your religion may make you feel good, but in the book of Revelation, your religion is criticized. “I know your works; you have the name of being alive, and you are dead.” (Revelation 3:1 Revised Standard)
    I do not feel good that I was lied to by the Catholic clergy, but I have only pity, not anger toward the misguided masses. Faith is believing that an intelligent mind can solve the riddle given to humankind by an intelligent God.

    So, how are we to recognize the true religion of God from any distortions? Follow the bloodline of David, and see who sits on the throne today. He is Ben Joseph Aghsan, he is an apostle of the Lamb, and following the uncorrupted religion of God, his rule will bring peace to this troubled earth.

    Collin

  7. 7 Charlotta
    1:22 pm on May 21, 2007

    Hi you guys that have made this website n__n

    I’m a christian protestant from the faroes, which untill recently didn’t know the bahai faith existed (I met some bahai youths, who have come to the faroes to help establish the Faith here, where out of 49.000 people only 20 are bahais, and only one of them is a true faroese person). I didn’t know where else to post this message, as I am an internet-spass, so I’ll just post it here, hoping you’ll get back to me.

    I was just wondering, because being raised with the bible and christianity (ie believing in the trinity, Jesus is the son of God, litteraly, worshiping Jesus, who is God, meaning worshiping God through Jesus) I know that somewhere in the bible it says (sorry, I don’t know my scripturs well enough) that false prophets will come, but we must not believe in them, we must only believe in Jesus, for there will be a day of judgement, where he will return. So I want to know, how you know, that baha’u’llah is the manifestation of God, or the messiah or which of the names you prefer.

    Also I saw one of your videos, where you say that Jesus was the Son, but Baha’u’llah was the father. Isn’t God the father? (or did I get it totally wrong here? I’m sorry if I did, I’m just trying to understand.)

    Anyways, the purpose of this long and boring message was to ask you, how do you know that Baha’u’llah was not a fraud claiming to be a manifestation of God? (ofcourse you could turn the question back to me, asking, how do I know that Jesus wasn’t just claiming to be the Son of ´God… Now i’m getting myself all confused here…)

    Well, there are my questions.

    Charlotta

    (excuse bad grammar, spelling and such, as I’m not that good at english)

  8. 8 Christian Symbols and Christian Resources
    4:18 am on August 07, 2007

    Christian Symbols and Christian Resources

    Sorry, it just sounds like a crazy idea for me :)

  9. 9 Collin
    10:24 am on August 26, 2007

    What, in particular, do you consider crazy?
    Do you mean crazy like insane?
    Albert Einstein is attributed to having said:
    “Insanity is continuing to do the same thing and expecting different results.”
    The world is at war, and our Baha’i website is a peaceful beacon for those pure in heart who really want an answer to the question:
    “What is life all about?”
    In my opinion, it is crazy to turn your back on answers.
    It is crazy to dismiss new information if it contradicts your beliefs.
    It is crazy to turn your back on God.

  10. 10 Jeff
    1:35 am on September 17, 2007

    Charlotta, I think the verse you’re thinking of was “many will come in my name, saying I am the Christ, but do not believe them”. I take that to me that anyone coming in his name, which was Jesus, saying they are Jesus Christ returned not to accept them. This is in part because later in Revelations we are told that Christ would return with a new name, and a new song (teaching). Hope that helps. Thanks.

  11. 11 Al C
    5:32 pm on September 29, 2007

    Good day to all,
    What a spiritual journey we are on. I can only speak for myself about private investigation of faith. I was also brought up as a catholic and even went to a seminary hoping to someday be a priest. I too was a tremendous lover of Jesus. Of course life took a different course, but religion and God was always a mystery to reckon with. As i later discovered, and upon reading Abdul Baha and later Baha’u’llah, it became more clear how their Words helped my search and recognition for Truth. The Logic of God was more revealing, the Baha’i principles attractive. Baha’u’llah’s prayers enhanced the God of Love with new meaning with Words like most Merciful, most Compassionate, most Forgiving, most Gracious, All-Knowing, All-Wise, etc. I knew i had found the return of Christ. The theory of Progressive Revelation made the most sense, it brought all religions under a single umbrella radiating from the same One Invisible God. I concluded that religion is not static, it is organic, it is progressive, it creates civilizations. I truly believe on further investigation everyone would come to these same conclusions. The Truth becomes self-evident. Baha’u’llah is a guiding Light in an otherwise dark world. The knowledge that God has never forsaken us, but has always been alive and well is so comforting. Keep searching for the truth and the answers will surely come. Our unity is the ultimate goal. Baha’u’llah “Glory of God”, “Prince of Peace” is the key.

  12. 12 Christian
    11:01 am on October 02, 2007

    Excuse me for saying does it not say that Jesus risen from the dead after the third day and went to heaven in his physical body and is sitting now on the right hand of God and the “word” wich actually is bible is not part of the trinity its a guideline to which you should follow in life the holy trinity is God, his son and the holy spirit. If you think we are falling for the word as a living thing you are totally wrong its a guideline which the children of God should follow and we should have a relationship with the trinity wich is God altogether.

    Jesus rose up to heaven and is sitting on the wright hand of God. If i can ask you a question is there any evidence that Jesus died on earth?

  13. 13 Jeff
    8:45 pm on October 02, 2007

    Christian, I believe you’re quoting the Apostles Creed (invented by the Church), and not the Bible. I’m afraid the Bible makes no such claims. Please cite verses to alleviate ambiguity. Jesus told the thief hanging on the cross next to him “tonight you’ll be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43), so we know he died on the cross and went to heaven. The physical resurrection myth doesn’t stand up to what the Bible actually says. A complete explanation of the resurrection parable can be gleaned from this video.

  14. 14 Collin
    6:31 am on October 06, 2007

    Christian, you ask, “Is there any evidence that Jesus died on earth?” Well, yes, there is! In John 19 the crucifixion resulted in the death of Jesus and the other’s who were crucified with him.

    “33But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. 35The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.”
    (John 19)

    Prior to that quote, we read, “30When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.” (John 19)

    You know, I have never heard a person try to persuade me that Jesus was not human. On the contrary, Jesus has blood like other men do, and Jesus died as other men have died. Was Jesus more than human? Yes. Jesus was a rare and special human in that he was blessed to have a link with the One True God that allowed him to teach us what our Creator wants us to learn. Jesus was not the creator of the universe. Jesus, like Moses and Muhammad had a link to God that allowed them to do miraculous things. The Jews do not pray to Moses, Islamic folks do not pray to Muhammad, and yet Christians pray to Jesus even though Jesus taught us to pray to God.
    For the love of God and for the love of Jesus, can the good Christians of the world start showing their love for Jesus and pray to God instead of praying to Jesus himself?

  15. 15 Christian
    8:39 am on October 09, 2007

    Methew 28:16-20 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go . When they saw him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy Spirit and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always to the very end of the age.” And Jesus rose to the heaven.

    Collin Jesus did die on earth but what meant was he rose up so he didnt actually die> I meant by has anyone found his remains on earth?

  16. 16 Christian
    8:57 am on October 09, 2007

    I watch the movie and it is not quite right coz what it said in the bible was that Jesus would suffer three days and three nights, but ask yourself if everyone forsakes wouldn’t you suffer?

  17. 17 Al C
    6:17 pm on October 09, 2007

    Here is an interesting website..

    http://www.tombofjesus.com/2007/home.html

    It alludes to the fact (myth) that Jesus survived the crucifixion and travelled to and ministered to the people of India and died in that region.. Regardless of the truth, Jesus was a Manifestation of God, a Mouthpiece of God, the Word of God and Truth. Jesus’ ministry and revelation is the power of God’s Love, and He could not be denied. His legacy survived 2,000 years as witnessed by the amount of Christian believers around the world. His Love Message was Universal as is Baha’u’llah’s Justice Message. The principles required for the Unity of the planet is His theme.. Private investigation is required.

  18. 18 Adam
    10:33 pm on October 18, 2007

    Charlotta,

    You ask some great questions.

    I found a couple of places where false prophets were mentioned. In 2 Peter 2:1 it says:

    “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”

    So here we see that there were false prophets, or teachers, among the early Christians, who were denying the Lord. These same ones are spoken of by John as the antichrists:

    “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” 1 John 4:1-3

    As Baha’is, we openly confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh in the exact way that Paul expressed this fact:

    “Concerning his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed [greek: sperma = male sperm] of David according to the flesh…” Romans 1:3

    When John speaks of these false prophet antichrists, that already existed in the world at the time of the apostles, he’s referring to those not accepting Jesus Christ “made of the seed of David”, that is, physically descended from David by the male sperm of his father Joseph. There were & are still many teaching “another Jesus” different from the one the apostles taught.

    Your question as to how we know Baha’u’llah is legitimate, or how we know that Jesus Christ is legitimate for that matter, is that they both fulfill a prophetic criteria, coming in the prophesied name, address, date & mission from the Bible. See these prophecies at youtube here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIO-ALXwGRc

    The Bible prophesies of 2 Christs, or “anointed ones” (Zech. 4:14), the 2nd being called the “Everlasting Father”. This is why Baha’u’llah is referred to as the Father, as He fulfills these prophecies.

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